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| ReckonerSuper Regular Dizzy Capper P: 10/22/2020 07:11 | Inspired by Barry Greenstein's website, where he also does a player analysis. http://www.barrygreenstein.com/player-analysis/ For example: http://www.barrygreenstein.com/player-analysis/patrik-antoni... Since a certain question was asked by “Backalleybuttlove” in another thread, I decided to make a seperate one for it. They asked: “Looks like you're the #4 cap guy on the server. What do you attribute your offensive skills to? Are you a master at the hand held concussion jump?“ Reckoner Scale of 1 – 10. Aggressiveness, combat skills: 8 Game mechanics: 6 “Tilt” control, self-control: 4 Against less experienced players: 9 Against strong, experienced players: 7 Best Offensive Class: Medic Best Defensive Class: Engineer First of all, I don't have a greater understanding of the game mechanics, meaning like the perfect air-strafe angles for the mouse when bunny hopping. Let's say a player like “brah”, would probably score a 9 or even a 10 here. Same goes for hand held concussion jumping – There's so much room for me to improve even after so many years. What I lack in those mechanical skills, I make up for with how I engage the enemy players in combat and the reads I perform on enemy players. It took me so many years to even start to think about bunny hopping on this server. The cap is at 140% so if I wanted to improve, then was it the time for that. To answer “Backalleybuttlove” their question: I think I am experienced, but just on this map 2fort. Other maps I would mostly rely on combat skills I suppose and how I read players and their movements, actions on the map. Not a master at concussion jumping, hehe. :D As far as “Tilt” control, self-control goes, though I RQ little less nowadays, is kinda lacking. :p Especially in matches where me and the other O players on my team don't even get to see the flagroom for 10 minutes straight for example. That could put me on tilt and I start to play less to my own understandings of the game. That when I sometimes feel like I have to “Deathmatch” versus a soldier or demoman when they keep covering the exact same pixel on the map, like top elevator, or mid/upper spiral. It's kinda bad. Then realizing I'm alone on offensive (at times) and then I'm not calculating the timings correctly anymore. I sort of switch to auto-pilot and I don't really enjoy that particular match then, not wanting to finish a match to end in a 0-0 tie game. I think a match on this map is one continuous calculation. The timer goes to 0 and you can leave the spawn, but before that so many calculations have been done already. Just by pressing the “Tab” button before that and most experienced players know what class you're playing anyway (and your play style), just based on name/reputation. I'm not saying that the match basically plays itself, new players can always join mid-game. Just have to adjust to it. Also continue to “read” players is what I enjoy about this game the most. Not that I try to get in their head too much, but I really like playing the player a lot. Small Example: Let's say you see an enemy soldier leaving their base on 2fort – One of your Team's scout or medic concussion jumps from bridge to reach battlements. You see the soldier tracking the scout/medic's movement quite accurately, with their “weapon model” visibly moving to where your teammate's position is right now – after a rocket that may or may not hit, they instantly switch to shotgun to get shots in. You should know: They fall under the strong, experienced category. Am I really that surprised that when I go on offensive as a medic, that they'll be waiting on the spot at the 2-nd floor, near main respawn, trying to cover both battlements, grate and elevator? No. :p Based on how they bunny hop and act around the map, I already know how they will play the entire match. That's when I have the most fun ^__^. Because I understand what I need to do to counter their play style. Therefore, vs strong experienced players “7”, sometimes higher. It's not a 1 vs 1 game of course, so calculations get more complex with more players/classes on each team. |
| straightcashhomie P: 10/22/2020 13:24 | I can totally relate to autopilot |
| BackalleybuttloveSuper Regular Crack-Powered Capper P: 10/22/2020 14:25 | What do you mean by tilt? What impressed me in that game was pretty much no one on our team could even get close to the flag, the opposing team had good bridge defense and I could barely make it into the opposing team's base except for you and let alone the fact be able to capture the flag. I'm not sure you remember that one, just curious what it was you were doing to bypass the defenses. I'd love to improve my offense skills. I'm pretty good at engineer but want to improve as medic and scout. It seems like team work coordination is crucial especially in the games where there's more than 8 people per team. Trying to sneak in running as a scout ain't going to work when there's three engineers in the basement. I'm surprised I didn't get into this game when I was in high school. I was a big counter-strike fanboy, even made a CS map. Having played this game, especially 2fort for quite some time now I've come to appreciate the skill it takes to capture the flag when facing a skillful opposing team along with the frustration when you can't get it out of that damn box room! |
| ReckonerSuper Regular Dizzy Capper P: 10/22/2020 14:41 | Yo @Backalleybuttlove ^__^ I suppose Tilt is a thing in like RTS games too, such as Starcraft 1 & 2. There it's called raging. :o More so in Poker - the card game. There it's called "steaming" - meaning that let's say an individual player is losing a lot of money during a poker session. They try to get back the money as quickly as possible - investing more money and mostly losing a lot more, because they'll play poorly. A definition I found online: "Steaming - The condition of being stuck and on tilt." Often, when a player is losing, their disposition becomes poor and they lose their discipline. Some players will get downright mean and angry. >__< Hmm, :o Not sure if I remember that game where others on my team couldn't get in the enemy base.. I usually record demos for 90% of the matches, I'll take a look later. :) Hopefully I can upload a nice video clip or something, showing some basic ideas for the match you mentioned. |
| straightcashhomie P: 10/22/2020 15:38 | Backalleybuttlove wrote: What do you mean by tilt? What impressed me in that game was pretty much no one on our team could even get close to the flag, the opposing team had good bridge defense and I could barely make it into the opposing team's base except for you and let alone the fact be able to capture the flag. I'm not sure you remember that one, just curious what it was you were doing to bypass the defenses. I'd love to improve my offense skills. I'm pretty good at engineer but want to improve as medic and scout. It seems like team work coordination is crucial especially in the games where there's more than 8 people per team. Trying to sneak in running as a scout ain't going to work when there's three engineers in the basement. I'm surprised I didn't get into this game when I was in high school. I was a big counter-strike fanboy, even made a CS map. Having played this game, especially 2fort for quite some time now I've come to appreciate the skill it takes to capture the flag when facing a skillful opposing team along with the frustration when you can't get it out of that damn box room! Good bridge defense? I was not even playing last night. Someone help him with models/textures etc. so his TFC doesnt look like complete ass. |
| -[IBSC]-iLluSiON-Daycare Manager Killer Scout P: 10/22/2020 15:49 E: 10/22/2020 15:49 | I tilted into a rage quit during a match vs reckoner last night. 4 engies on our team. No communication. No SGs on flag when it as sitting in spiral. Brought it up multiple times and nobody budged. Instant waste of time and effort. Rage quit. |
| Ignorant_FloristDaycare Manager Pipebomb Monkey P: 10/22/2020 15:50 | Backalleybuttlove wrote: I'm surprised I didn't get into this game when I was in high school. I was a big counter-strike fanboy, even made a CS map. Fuckin' kids.... Having played this game, especially 2fort for quite some time now I've come to appreciate the skill it takes to capture the flag when facing a skillful opposing team along with the frustration when you can't get it out of that damn box room! You know, on Friday nights, I turn FF on, which makes the Spy class a lot more effective. Since you were a CS fanboy, you're used to "slow" and "methodical" gameplay, right? Those traits can work wonders as a Spy class. Don't get me wrong, D2F is usually pretty chaotic... but it's usually "no blood" and "random spam" that are the Spy's biggest weaknesses in this game. You learn a few proper tactics, and you can do some serious damage in the enemy base. Even if their defense is decent. |
| SpooferSuper Regular WMD Creator P: 10/22/2020 15:56 E: 10/22/2020 15:56 | -[IBSC]-iLluSiON- wrote: I tilted into a rage quit during a match vs reckoner last night. 4 engies on our team. No communication. No SGs on flag when it as sitting in spiral. Brought it up multiple times and nobody budged. Instant waste of time and effort. Rage quit. You should ban them all. :} |
| straightcashhomie P: 10/22/2020 16:19 | Did my Illusion in 2021 campaign work? Is he admin? |
| VishusSuper Regular Soldier Flag Defense P: 10/22/2020 18:34 | There should be a category for game sense as well. Differs from game mechanics. |
| VishusSuper Regular Soldier Flag Defense P: 10/22/2020 18:43 | I took the liberty of completing this for d^shot: Scale of 1 – 10. Aggressiveness, combat skills: 11 Game mechanics: 11 “Tilt” control, self-control: 11 Against less experienced players: 11 Against strong, experienced players: 11 Best Offensive Class: HW Best Defensive Class: Scout |
| ReckonerSuper Regular Dizzy Capper P: 10/22/2020 18:59 | Agreed with "Game Sense" :o .. Though I need to give it more thought. ^__^ Also that's awesome @ Vishus :D - jajaja :p - Best D class could have been RandomPC too, hihi >:) Hidden category is Mouse DPI :) I wonder who has the highest Mouse DPI :D Mine is 1200, with 20 in-game >:o |
| angry_saladSuper Regular Medic Capping Service P: 10/22/2020 19:42 | Yeah, but you have a Dell, right? |
| BackalleybuttloveSuper Regular Crack-Powered Capper P: 10/23/2020 07:08 | Ignorant_Florist wrote: Backalleybuttlove wrote: I'm surprised I didn't get into this game when I was in high school. I was a big counter-strike fanboy, even made a CS map. Fuckin' kids.... Having played this game, especially 2fort for quite some time now I've come to appreciate the skill it takes to capture the flag when facing a skillful opposing team along with the frustration when you can't get it out of that damn box room! You know, on Friday nights, I turn FF on, which makes the Spy class a lot more effective. Since you were a CS fanboy, you're used to "slow" and "methodical" gameplay, right? Those traits can work wonders as a Spy class. Don't get me wrong, D2F is usually pretty chaotic... but it's usually "no blood" and "random spam" that are the Spy's biggest weaknesses in this game. You learn a few proper tactics, and you can do some serious damage in the enemy base. Even if their defense is decent. Frankly, I don't know why I didn't give TFC more of a try. That was one of the aggrevating things about counter-strike, waiting sometimes two minutes till the next round if you died. I'm a couple time zones away, I'm talking the Middle East a couple time zones away, so it's sort of luck of the draw sometimes if anyone's on the server to play. Seems like you need at least 5v5 for a decent game. Also, Friday nights your time is the Sabbath my time so that means no vidya. I bet with FF on it's a totally different game. I can see how the spy class would be at a greater advantage than without. What I liked about CS was the gun recoil and dying with just a couple hits gave it a sort of "realism." You can't just be trigger happy especially at long distances. I reckon the spy's LSD spray grenades are like a sort of smoke grenade in CS. Lately I've been throwing them when I'm followed as a sort of deterrent. |
| straightcashhomie P: 10/23/2020 09:06 | Vishus wrote: I took the liberty of completing this for d^shot: Scale of 1 – 10. Aggressiveness, combat skills: 11 Game mechanics: 11 “Tilt” control, self-control: 11 Against less experienced players: 11 Against strong, experienced players: 11 Best Offensive Class: HW Best Defensive Class: Scout Close, I would of given myself 12's. Are you instigating The Bridge God? |
| EmotionallyDisturbedParakeetSuper Regular FatGuy With A LittleGun P: 10/23/2020 09:27 | similarly to drippy's idea of implementing a machine-learning algorithm for skill balancing, it'd be interesting to have an objective measure of these metrics using data from the .dem files. i found a program, don't remember the name, that purported to convert the gs .dem to ascii for easier parsing but it just crashed. did however see a site posted by dshot that allowed you to upload the .dem files one by one and parse, the discombobulator or whatever it was called. |
| Ignorant_FloristDaycare Manager Pipebomb Monkey P: 10/23/2020 09:44 | Backalleybuttlove wrote: Ignorant_Florist wrote: Backalleybuttlove wrote: I'm surprised I didn't get into this game when I was in high school. I was a big counter-strike fanboy, even made a CS map. Fuckin' kids.... Having played this game, especially 2fort for quite some time now I've come to appreciate the skill it takes to capture the flag when facing a skillful opposing team along with the frustration when you can't get it out of that damn box room! You know, on Friday nights, I turn FF on, which makes the Spy class a lot more effective. Since you were a CS fanboy, you're used to "slow" and "methodical" gameplay, right? Those traits can work wonders as a Spy class. Don't get me wrong, D2F is usually pretty chaotic... but it's usually "no blood" and "random spam" that are the Spy's biggest weaknesses in this game. You learn a few proper tactics, and you can do some serious damage in the enemy base. Even if their defense is decent. Frankly, I don't know why I didn't give TFC more of a try. That was one of the aggrevating things about counter-strike, waiting sometimes two minutes till the next round if you died. I'm a couple time zones away, I'm talking the Middle East a couple time zones away, so it's sort of luck of the draw sometimes if anyone's on the server to play. Seems like you need at least 5v5 for a decent game. Also, Friday nights your time is the Sabbath my time so that means no vidya. I bet with FF on it's a totally different game. I can see how the spy class would be at a greater advantage than without. What I liked about CS was the gun recoil and dying with just a couple hits gave it a sort of "realism." You can't just be trigger happy especially at long distances. I reckon the spy's LSD spray grenades are like a sort of smoke grenade in CS. Lately I've been throwing them when I'm followed as a sort of deterrent. Not gonna lie about it, some people don't like FF, and the numbers on the server do drop a little at first. However, there are also more than a few players who love the change of pace that FF brings to the game. So it's a mixed bag. Feel free to hit me up on Steam(Iggy Stardust), because I will turn FF on for a round upon request. I also am nearly always "on call" if something bad is going on, on the server(griefer, cheater, etc). I have Steamchat set to go to my phone, and because I'm disabled, I'm almost always at home. I've had d2f regulars hit me up either there or through Facebook(another app that goes to my phone) when there's been a problem going on and no other Admins are around. If you're on Facebook, you can find me through the D2F group, here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/drippysd2f/ That goes for anyone, honestly. |
| EmotionallyDisturbedParakeetSuper Regular FatGuy With A LittleGun P: 10/23/2020 09:57 | i will say, you've been responsive in the past to my requests for assistance. props. |
| -[IBSC]-iLluSiON-Daycare Manager Killer Scout P: 10/23/2020 10:23 | Iggy needs to play more. |
| Ignorant_FloristDaycare Manager Pipebomb Monkey P: 10/23/2020 10:32 | No argument there.... but with Katina finally able to(and succeeding in) working again, I should be able to afford "store bought" smokes again more than once a week. Most of my time is spent sitting around making my own. Yeah, it's a shitload cheaper, but monopolizes my time like a motherfucker. And before anyone says "well if you can do that...." understand, I can go at my own pace, and literally make one, smoke it, make one, smoke it, etc. Then there's the "has to get up and hit the bathroom, eat, or whatever"... because sitting too long at one stretch is agony. And before someone says "well quit that nasty ass habit!" Get my step-son to move his lazy ass out, and I might be able to. If I was 10 years younger(and in the physical condition I was 10 years ago), I'd put his ass through a wall, then make him fix the hole before allowing him to tend his injuries. |
| straightcashhomie P: 10/23/2020 10:39 | Iggy, The Bridge God is for hire. I will bring The Moped of 1000 Tire-Markings to beat him to a pulp. |
| EmotionallyDisturbedParakeetSuper Regular FatGuy With A LittleGun P: 10/23/2020 10:39 | ignant No argument there.... but with Katina finally able to(and succeeding in) working again, I should be able to afford "store bought" smokes again more than once a week. That's good to hear I recall she'd had a serious health issue you talked about on the forums, her going back to work must mean she's wicked healthy bub. :D |
| Ignorant_FloristDaycare Manager Pipebomb Monkey P: 10/23/2020 10:45 | straightcashhomie wrote: Iggy, The Bridge God is for hire. I will bring The Moped of 1000 Tire-Markings to beat him to a pulp. While I appreciate the offer, I have to repeat that I'm on Disability, and can't afford shit right now. The smokes I'm getting today are coming out of our grocery money, because my wife can't afford bail money for a road rage incident. ? |
| Ignorant_FloristDaycare Manager Pipebomb Monkey P: 10/23/2020 10:58 | EmotionallyDisturbedParakeet wrote: ignant No argument there.... but with Katina finally able to(and succeeding in) working again, I should be able to afford "store bought" smokes again more than once a week. That's good to hear I recall she'd had a serious health issue you talked about on the forums, her going back to work must mean she's wicked healthy bub. :D Open heart surgery back at the end of January. And yeah, she's doing great! I am honestly feeling more than blessed that her surgery was done before the Covid outbreak. I'm just hoping I get more than 3 additional years with her out of it(that's a Rose reference, in case anyone missed it). She's taking it slow, while still "pushing it". If you know what I mean. She actually has 2 part time jobs. She left her position at the dialysis clinic because of the Covid risk. I backed her on that because what would be the sense of going through 9 hours of surgery only to contract a virus that could kill her? She's still immuno-compromised, and likely will be for the rest of her life. But we take precautions, and don't sweat it. You can only do so much. But walking around during a thunderstorm holding a 30 foot lightning rod isn't the brightest idea, ya know? She just started her second job, and between the two and my disability check, we should be fine. We just have to manage "on less". But, as this meme says....: https://i.imgur.com/6VTQ3Fy.jpg We're not "New Poor", we're "Old Poor". We know how to live on next to nothing. |
| straightcashhomie P: 10/23/2020 11:02 | Ignorant_Florist wrote: straightcashhomie wrote: Iggy, The Bridge God is for hire. I will bring The Moped of 1000 Tire-Markings to beat him to a pulp. While I appreciate the offer, I have to repeat that I'm on Disability, and can't afford shit right now. The smokes I'm getting today are coming out of our grocery money, because my wife can't afford bail money for a road rage incident. ? I will do it for a COVID free cigarette. |
| Ignorant_FloristDaycare Manager Pipebomb Monkey P: 10/23/2020 11:13 | (Legit) LOL! You got it, man... I can make that deal. |
| EmotionallyDisturbedParakeetSuper Regular FatGuy With A LittleGun P: 10/23/2020 11:41 E: 10/23/2020 11:42 | I can help I'll use my snowblower though. I don't need anything though, I just want to beat people up. |
| straightcashhomie P: 10/23/2020 11:46 | Ignorant_Florist wrote: (Legit) LOL! You got it, man... I can make that deal. You want me to tuck my shirt up so my stomach is exposed? Nothing's more intimidating than a belly shirt with abs sticking out. close yours eyes and imagine. |
| angry_saladSuper Regular Medic Capping Service P: 10/23/2020 13:46 | I'm mildly aroused by this. |
| SpooferSuper Regular WMD Creator P: 10/23/2020 13:49 | Glad your wife's doing better. Spies are effective with FF on because most players on the server sadly don't have the sense to switch weapons / fire a round off to prove they're not a spy when approaching defensive positions, forcing D to make the call whether to start lighting them up or not. Though it's always even more aggravating when a player has the sense to fire to prove they're not a spy, but always decide to fire at the defensive player, stripping their armor (or health with FF on). Like, what are you doing? |