NOOKIE: WALNUTS
NOOKIE: GET OUT OF OUR SPAWN AND FUCKING PLAY THE GAME
Mr. Walnuts: no whining
puppy: si
NOOKIE: playing like a bitch like always
Buckets: says the guy whining like one
* NOOKIE usually whines, banned for 5 minutes.

From !rules:
NO WHINING
This includes whining about spammers, cheaters (see below), hwguys, lag, being kicked, infected teammates, new players, excessive use of 'gay', etc.
From MOTD:
* Dont whine about people being infected, be a medic or deal with it
From Admin guidelines:
Generally, bashing an entire class (for example, saying the phrase 'hwgay' automatically gets a whine), a certain play style (spamming, defense), someone sitting in spawn while infected, lag, noobs, or bitching about teammates in public chat will deserve a !whiner -- (Using team chat is much more forgiving, as telling your team not to sit in spawn infected might let new players know not to do it, even if its laced with insults)

What constitutes respawn spamming/camping?
There is no fine line for someone to walk on this rule. The general rule of thumb is to not try to get cheap kills from people spawning. We want to provide protection from people sitting outside the spawn door with a pipe trap,

wmkbsl wrote:

Apropos of nothing, but Buckets with the burn!!! Didn't know he had it in him.

drippy- wrote:
!report instead of pubchat whining...goes for anyone, about anyone

Walnuts was sitting on the sniper deck piping it. He was standing against the spawn door in the corner, pipes were near the edge of the battlements. Even if the pipes were against the spawn door, battlements is still fair game for that.

Quite a bit different than Gratefuldead who went into spawn throwing a mirv at the back door and then piping inside it without trying to get out.

The moment that Nookie was whining about it, walnuts was in their water spiral, nowhere near spawn. I'm assuming he was whining about a few minutes earlier when walnuts was on their deck, otherwise he was completely making it up. Kinda like the posts in here talking about Walnuts piping in spawn...

[SHS]Hitz wrote:
If Walnuts is laying pipe traps inside the sniper spawn, then that's against server rules. Is there proof of this?

Backalleybuttlove wrote:
The whole not spamming the respawn official rule is pretty ambiguous apart from the clause about spy gas grenades which is explicitly mentioned. "There is no fine line" and "There are legitimate reasons to spam the spawn as well" are found in the official rule against spamming the spawn. The tenor seems to be not getting "cheap kills" but in away demos piping the hallways to the flagroom and camping in the rafters are, arguably, getting cheap kills.

If Walnuts was piping outside the sniper exit door from what I understand that is legal; annoying, but legal. The unwritten rule of the server appears to be no throwing nades or any form of spamming up the wall into the sniper spawn from the hallway leading to the ramp room and likewise no wanton spawn killing inside of the sniper spawn. The only reason to be in the enemy sniper spawn is to take out teleporters and be on your merry way. If someone respawns there while taking out the teleporters you can fight back but still need to make a hasty exit. You can't crouch walk out as a demo while piping the spawn while exiting.

I think there are more shades of gray with the 2nd floor respawn near the ramp room. That is often a hot area with concjumping medics and scouts often bumping into newly spawned players on top of people entering the 2nd floor from the ramp room. I don't think it would be within the realm of cheap kills if you have a nade primed and readied upon landing on the enemy sniper deck to throw down the hall into the 2nd floor provided you intend to continue to the spiral or the elevator. Especially so if there's an SG in the 2nd floor mezzanine; you have both the SG and respawning players to worry about. Like the spy grenade, maybe we can allow one "hail mary" nade thrown from the sniper deck into the hallway landing outside the 2nd floor mezzanine respawn. Yes, someone might get a cheap kill, but that means one less nade for them if they make it to the basement. The cheap kill is at the expense of an extra nade for the basement. There's also a chance the nade is totally wasted. I would gladly be cheap killed if it meant the opponent having no nades for the basement. Just my two cents.

derpy- wrote:
Walnuts was sitting on the sniper deck piping it. He was standing against the spawn door in the corner, pipes were near the edge of the battlements. Even if the pipes were against the spawn door, battlements is still fair game for that.

drippy- wrote:

Yep, that was puppy. He sat outside the spawn door, waited till it opened, went in, walked past and ignored you and another medic who spawned, threw a pipe and grenade at the teleporter, and then went out of spawn. No intent to get cheap kills from people spawning that I saw.

So if thats 'the exact same way' Walnuts has been playing, then you should know thats not against the rules to go after teleporters in spawn.

Spoofer wrote:
I took Nookie (and the half a dozen others who reached out to me yesterday to express they've similarly seen Walnuts continue to engage in this behavior throughout the past few months) at their word, especially since in the last topic Walnuts flat out admitted he does so, and then fiercely (and failingly) attempted to defend the practice. (I guess Walnuts was making it up that he does it too, though.)

But, I think we'd certainly be more than willing to consider the matter of Walnuts himself as moot if drippy is now clarifying that setting traps inside the door is now illegal going forward (since his only defense is that he didn't see Walnuts do it). Cool. We'll report from now on if we see it, and expect the same action taken against all players equally. Thanks!

Ignorant_Florist wrote:

This. Right here. Show us the evidence that Walnuts is doing something illegal, "since he's doing it all the time".

I have snuck into the server on numerous occasions, and spec'd Walnuts because of these complaints, and yes, I've watched him play for hours on end at this point. I have yet to see him do something like what you guys are describing.

Piping the door from the deck is legal. We all know this.

Throwing a MIRV at 3-4 teleporters bunched together, yeah, that's been called legal as well. While I oppose that idea, what Drippy- says goes.

EmotionallyDisturbedParakeet wrote:
don't recall seeing walnuts piping in spawn. but spoofer says he admitted to it or something similar? doesn't mean it didn't happen but i've had a lot of hours over the years destroying walnuts scrub. i dunno. i did see him kick himself out of a match for using a mirv in spawn. i disagreed with that kick because he said it was a mistake, and it took out teles. i also have yet to see demos of what walnuts is accused of. again don't mean it didn't happen.

just so i fit in, fuck you walnuts.