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Yeah, why on earth would you put that here? It's obviously headed to WC. Anyway....
Didn't see it, don't want to. Biden sounds too much like the Grandpa from Rugrats. "Okay, sprouts, if you keep up with the lockdowns, we'll all have mashed potatoes for the 4th of July!" Biden is peak cringe.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chris-wallace-calls-o ut-joe-biden-s-briefing-book-i-have-never-seen-a-president-re ading-talking-points/ar-BB1eY0AX?ocid=msedgntp

Even Chris Wallace shat on his press conference.

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2021/03/25/nbc-news-analy st-joe-biden-sounds-looks-tired-at-first-press-conference/

Even an NBC anchor says Biden looks tired.

Say what you will about Trump. Maybe he didn't speak with a high register but he was always ready with a one liner. His press conferences with the helicopter rotor running was genius.
Trump's first conference
So if the Democrats. all you have to do is look where they are right now. The only thing they can do is delay because they screwed things up royally

I’ve also worked to install a Cabinet over the delays and obstruction of Senate Democrats. You’ve seen what they’ve done over the last long number of years.

Biden's first conference
I’m ready to work with any Republican who wants to help solve the problem or make the situation better.

making sure that I would like Republican, elected Republican support, but what I know I have now is I have electoral support from Republican voters. Republican voters agree with what I’m doing.

Regardless of politics, the difference in tone towards the opposing party is very clear.

"They ruined everything" vs "let's try to work together."

Not to mention

What I’m worried about is how un-American this whole initiative is. It’s sick. It’s sick. Deciding in some states that you cannot bring water to people standing in line waiting to vote, deciding that you’re going to end voting at five o’clock when working people are just getting off work, deciding that there will be no absentee ballots under the most rigid circumstances, it’s all designed, and I’m going to spend my time doing three things. One, trying to figure out how to pass the legislation passed by the House, number one, number two, educating the American public.

Look, I meant what I said when I ran, and a lot of you still think I’m wrong and I respect that.

But let's argue about how tired he looks. 100% the right thing to do for the free thinkers that aren't sheep.
Backalleybuttlove wrote: Biden is peak cringe.

Oh, come on, man... after the last 4 years of that fucktard making W sound like a Rhodes Scholar.... Biden is NOT "Peak Cringe".

That's not saying he's going to sound MUCH better... because I highly doubt that, too. But it's got to be marginally better than Mr. Herp-A-Derp himself.

Within 48 hours Biden cut 10k jobs scrubbing the Keystone pipeline. The irony is that pipelines are energy efficient in transporting oil.

So what if Trump made Bush sound like a Rhodes scholar. Trump got a state dinner in the Forbidden city in China, the same China that snubbed both Bush and Obama. At least Trump didn't start any Mideast wars. He also invested himself in advocating something that many Americans want: a wall and immigration control. Under Bush gas went up and under Trump gas was at prices when they were back in the 90's. I think people were just gaslit into not liking Trump. Look at the now debunked Russia collusion conspiracy theory, this was the Democrat's QAnon albeit more believable and with a veneer of respectability... and that's being very generous.

Amazing how America will spend billions of dollars overseas including studying Pakistani chicks with dicks but when it comes to America's border security all the sudden Democrats are concerned about spending. It's so cynical.

@EngieGhent, you seriously believe Biden wants to work together when he wants to end the fillibuster and destroyed all of Trump's work to get the border under control? And he has the chutzpah to blame Trump on the border crisis, or in his words, "challenge."
Trump said/says some crazy, stupid shit, unacceptable at times.

At least the THOUGHTS he materializes in his brain makes it to his fucking mouth.

Biden? That brain/mouth connection isn't firing on all cylinders anymore.

For anyone stating otherwise, shut the fuck up.

That isn't political. Look at Biden and tell me that mother fucker is healthy. He has countless senile moments.

That's fine, that's okay, that's life! Quit pretending it isn't happening though.
It’s all a charade, a circus for the plebs. Trump wasn’t in charge, neither is Biden. The corporations own “The United States Corporation”, just like every other nation on Earth.

Oh, and Kamala Harris will step up to the plate soon, when Joe has to step aside due to health issues. It’s all planned. Why do you think Kamala had that stupid “I know something you don’t” grin on her face since she was “selected” to run as VP?

Open your eyes people...
Backalleybuttlove wrote:
@EngieGhent, you seriously believe Biden wants to work together when he wants to end the fillibuster and destroyed all of Trump's work to get the border under control? And he has the chutzpah to blame Trump on the border crisis, or in his words, "challenge."

I believe in fact-based news sources (AP, Reuters) that neither
1. Are challenged in a court of law, nor
2. Leverage a defense of "no reasonable person would believe them"

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-dominion-idU...

I recommend it. Nearly everything in your post would be different, if you gave it a shot.

It'll feel good - like a slice of cold watermelon on a really hot day, with the extra fanciness of feta-cheese to pair with it.
Engin, you once gave me some advise....can't argue with people that don't even acknowledge reality.
EnginGhent wrote:
Backalleybuttlove wrote:
@EngieGhent, you seriously believe Biden wants to work together when he wants to end the fillibuster and destroyed all of Trump's work to get the border under control? And he has the chutzpah to blame Trump on the border crisis, or in his words, "challenge."

I believe in fact-based news sources (AP, Reuters) that neither
1. Are challenged in a court of law, nor
2. Leverage a defense of "no reasonable person would believe them"

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-dominion-idU...
I recommend it. Nearly everything in your post would be different, if you gave it a shot.

It'll feel good - like a slice of cold watermelon on a really hot day, with the extra fanciness of feta-cheese to pair with it.

The news ceased to be fact based years ago. Those sources may be near to the center, but journalism has become more about opinion pieces and less about reporting just the facts.

Which, again, is why I have to read two, three or more sources from across the spectrum to try to put something together. I hate it.
https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1375194423194218497
For any reasonable person of sound mind, the difference in how the two men handle themselves is stark.

Trump used press conferences to spread lies and propaganda. Throwing insults around about his opponents and/or attending journos. Sowing division. He's a fucking imbecile as is well known and documented.

Trump supporters are not reasonable people though, so expect nothing less than clutching at straws about Biden "looking tired" and so on. To be honest if I was his age and had to clean up after that clusterfuck Trump administration I'd be tired too. Hell, I'd be tired at my age. He doesn't even look that tired to me though, but let's humour the Fox "News" degenerates.

It's the same situation with the White House press secretary. Jen Psaki is quite clearly a much more capable, intelligent and grounded individual than Kayleigh McEnany. I guess you could do this with most dems vs reps as republicans are mostly fucking morons.

Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Ted Cruz and those other deplorable reprobates are the future of that party, dancing to Loser Don's tune. They're currently busy trying to make it more difficult for poorer communities to vote. Time to stop treating them with any respect whatsoever, they deserve none.

Backalleybuttlove wrote:His press conferences with the helicopter rotor running was genius.

This is the level of intelligence you're dealing with. Genius.
Even with cheatsheets, a picture book, and pre-approved questions/answers he still looked confused and lost. Sure, people get old and this happens, however those people aren't in charge of the united states of america.
^ thank youuuuuuuuuu
Covfefe
Sp0t, that's not a real argument. Biden has plenty of his own gaffes, as does Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc.

The idea that you all are arguing which guys is better, when neither are very good, is ridiculous. The 'anyone but Trump' mentality is disingenuous, and thinking that Biden even knows what's going on is laughable. The idea that Trump was some sort of savior, and this worship mentality, is equally so.

I hear you, though I don't agree. I think a projection/signal of "let's work together" is a pleasant departure - if nothing else in tone towards indicating the spirit of collaboration. I'll hope he follows through with that. Time will tell.
moose poop wrote:
Engin, you once gave me some advise....can't argue with people that don't even acknowledge reality.

Fair.
Prelude to Agony wrote:
Sp0t, that's not a real argument.

Wasn't putting forth any. Just felt like saying that before I caught my plane to Nambia for the annual Bigly Conference with all the other Hamberder Wirches.
Prelude to Agony wrote:
Sp0t, that's not a real argument. Biden has plenty of his own gaffes, as does Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc.

The idea that you all are arguing which guys is better, when neither are very good, is ridiculous. The 'anyone but Trump' mentality is disingenuous, and thinking that Biden even knows what's going on is laughable. The idea that Trump was some sort of savior, and this worship mentality, is equally so.


There's a difference between gaffes and declining mental clarity. To not be able to finish a thought or sentence without drifting off into a confused and dazed stare is not a gaffe or a stutter.
Fake News
EnginGhent wrote:
I hear you, though I don't agree. I think a projection/signal of "let's work together" is a pleasant departure - if nothing else in tone towards indicating the spirit of collaboration. I'll hope he follows through with that. Time will tell.

Right now it seems like lip service. Neither side is budging, and no one is working together. It's essentially been the last few years of 'they who hold the cards, push their agenda', and IDGAF who it is, it's wrong.

sp0t wrote:
Covfefe

I see your covfefe, and I raise you bleach!
I'll raise you 'poor kids are just as bright as white kids', then.

poor and bright; and white and bright are not mutually exclusive....its what training, education, parenting, opportunity etc..... that they are able to get

thousands of once in a lifetime genius are born every day ... too bad we only get one that actually gets to a point that has an impact
I'm just curious; why is it those here, who are obviously left leaning, simply won't take Biden, or other Democrat/Progressives to task...for, anything?

I mean, you admonish guys like Matt or buttlover consistently for blindly following their leader, and yet, some of you are doing the same thing with Biden, Cuomo, Harris, etc.

Why?

For instance, when Biden said what I posted as a reply to you, Moose, people just said 'well, he's not being racist, and he didn't mean it to come out that way.' Despite several recorded instances of him saying things of the like.

I get the why you hate Trump, or other members of the Republican party, or whatever party it is now. Certainly, emotionally, some have vigorously argued that. Yet, it comes across as though you believe that your people in office are infallible and somehow stand on some moral high ground. They do just enough progressive things, that you overlook their failings or weaknesses...routinely.

I'm conservative, and I don't care if you don't like it. Maybe I'm leaning more Libertarion now, in some ways. I don't care that you're liberal or progressive, whichever you choose. There were things Trump did I liked, and there were things he did I didn't like. Same with Obama...it was never a 100% fuck that guy. There were things he did that I liked, and things I didn't like. Same with Bush, same with Clinton.

It's too early for me to really say with Biden. Right now, I don't like much of what's going on and I'm concerned about what's coming. It does me no good to bitch about it, because it's just the cycle that we go through every 4 years.

Whether it's Trump, Obama, Biden...I don't understand just blindly supporting any person because of their alleged political affiliation.
I just struggle to wrap my head around it; the idea of going all in on someone, anyone, and having the blinders on to their flaws, shortcomings, or the problems they're creating.

All because 'at least he's not the other guy.'
Good question:

Matt: was because I argued that per capita measurement vis a vis the world was the correct measurement of standing because it compared apple to apple; his reply was, nothing other than it should be size, but without explanation over and over so not an admonishment, but an argument as to why it should be measure as such....

As to Butt....I can't remember what I responded to...

As to Nug... I think he goes a bit too far, but I do agree with the balance of things he says

As to Ritual...I think he is just angry all the time...

Cuomo, I think he should resign; some say let the investigation take over then decide...I am not opposed to this but I think as a leader .... you lead. If it is shown that he did nothing wrong well he can do what he wants...

Biden: I didn't hear his remark so I can't comment. But if you tell me, I will give you a response

The difference between Biden, Bush, Obama.... it was policy; like I said to my friend (who is conservative) when he asked what I thought about Gorsuch; I said, I may not agree with him but the party voted into power has the right to appoint the position when it came to Kavanaugh, I felt he was not qualified, not by the allegations because I did not hear enough but by the response and temperament - that is not the temperament needed by a SC Justice. The last one was not qualified because she had been on the bench less that what 2 years.....But I did believe that each of those Presidents thought they were trying to do the best for the country AND with Trump it was a fundamental character flaw that, I believe is a threat to the very existence of this country. I don't believe he did things for the betterment of this country, I think it was about him...just him

But here is the thing; we can disagree on policy; the pipe line, the border, minimum wage, the stimulus, foreign policy but that is all under the tent of our country, but after 60 days do I believe we are better yes (but then I am a democratic) There are things that I am bothered by, the children at the border - but do I blame him for the problem - No Do I blame Trump - yes, because he specifically choose to cause it - not the migration but the kids.

I don't mind telling you why I believe something, but if you are just going to be a juvenile dick and your only response is "WOKE WOKE WOKE" Then I really don't take you seriously.

If you have a issue about what he said as to bright kids...etc... tell me what he said - I promise I will respond with what I believe - you may or may not like it, but at least I think you will know that I did give it some thought

The last thing...I look at actions over message. So, at this point I am disappointed that Biden has not addressed student debt, but I am not a fan of executive orders...they have their place but this country needs to build from congress over the executive ... with that said I am on the fence about the filibuster
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-says-po...
If he misspoke, he misspoke. But, I don't think that's the case. He comes from a different generation, less 'woke', you might say. He meant what he said, perhaps not to be mean, but to convey an idea, albeit poorly.

Sure, the other campaign pounced on it, but it's a reoccurring theme. "Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black."

These things get dismissed as "I shouldn't have been such a wise guy", or played off as jokes. The other guy tries to play things off as jokes, but he's taken to task for it, and rightfully so. Joe apologizes, and all is okay.

And I dare say, almost everything Joe or Harris do will be brushed aside, simply because 'at least he's not Trump.'

I understand what you mean about student debt. I don't see that as a simple solution, especially considering they just spent 1.9T. They're talking about adding a road tax for infrastructure, which is simply absurd, IMO. The border issue, we could probably debate it for hours, but that doesn't make it any less of a problem. Executive orders are BS. They shouldn't be used to the degree they have in the last 5 years. Holy fuck.

And I hope you have come to know me well enough now that, in debate anyway, I don't just throw terms out there to be a cock. I just do that to RM because there's no discussing things with that guy, it's just a shouting match.

I appreciate the reply though.
bella wrote:
There's a difference between gaffes and declining mental clarity. To not be able to finish a thought or sentence without drifting off into a confused and dazed stare is not a gaffe or a stutter.

I feel personally attacked right now....

You racist.
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